hey guys I'm gonna make this intro short
because this video is already long
enough even though this interview lasted
over an hour I'll cut it down to the
very best parts so for anyone that
doesn't know I'm just gonna quickly
explain what swapping is and if you
already know I'm just gonna put a time
on the screen so you can skip to that
time you don't have to go for a whole
explanation of what swapping is all over
again even though your dinner so really
quickly what swapping is is basically
transferring gold from one version of
runescape to the other version because
gold is harder to get in old school
runescape that means the gold is worth
more there's a margin for when you swap
so even then you might swap one bill oh
seven for let's say six bill rs3 that's
six bill rs3 when you swap it back it
might be worth like 800 Miller 7 if a
guy's swap in that then I just made 200
million just from trading gold so yeah
that was my really quick explanation of
how swapping works and how people make
money from it oh and by the way if you
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black-market things because obviously
I'm quite involved in the black market
side in runescape and yeah shout out to
silent core and crumb for pretty much
being the inspiration to interview-style
underground series okay so let's start
so you and your brother-in-law came up
with this idea to create a swapping
french chat how did that we'll start
basically he came up with the idea he
always always played our street and he
oh he was always very busy with with
merging items etc and I think he got
approached by someone and he was asking
my advice because he got approached by
the Klan and he says like you can you
can do this thing called swapping and if
you buy in you can make a lot more money
and it sounded kind of sketchy to us you
know like you just you give some someone
money and you'll you get a rank and you
make it back but we decided to give it a
go mostly based on my opinion I think he
was kind of effective and I I didn't
mind the gamble I was like what's there
to lose in in the worst case we lose 100
mil rs3
which wasn't really yeah yeah back then
it wasn't it wasn't expensive or we
worried first joint so you began by
buying into a swap in FC yeah yeah we we
bought into a gland called coin for coin
and they they basically needed a
swapping clan as well and there were a
few people doing it but they weren't
really that active to be honest and we
we quickly actually took over most of
the swaps because we were online a lot I
only had college and I didn't have many
hours my brother-in-law same thing
basically so we had a lot of time on our
hands so we swapped almost the entire
day and before we knew it we were a
general rank and I don't believe we I
only think we stayed there for like one
month or maybe two and then we realized
we were actually carrying the entire
French jet and we were like become
probably better do it ourselves how did
the decision come from you and your
brother to go from working for someone
else to doing your other thing I guess
when we realized that we we were
actually doing the work for other people
and we were kind of annoyed that we
basically had a rule that if you were
online you had you needed to have at
least two advertisement bought online
basically when you're shopping it's just
to generate people to the to the French
at and it's logical that if you if you
put in effort that you would get the
swaps and we saw a lot of people who
actually didn't do that there were
constantly online there were swapping
but they didn't have faults or they said
their computers had issues or
they kept making up excuses basically
and I was like yeah it all sounded like
like they just didn't want to do the
effort and then I me and my
brother-in-law we discussed and we were
like maybe it's just better to start our
own clan because we were also checking
with our with our loyal loyal of see
people and they would they would tell us
that they would actually just follow us
if we started our own clan clan chat so
it's basically what we did and we just
pumped up the advertisement that's why
we started can you tell me about the
early days of when you first started it
sounds like you had a bit of a head
start so I had knowledge of bots which
was very very nice actually
so I used my knowledge I had from
botting to go to the to build certain
platforms that I was using which at the
time was mostly five bolts and I
actually saw an advertisement script
there which was free you didn't even
have to pay for it was free advertising
script was on the website so I just
decided to to edit and check out how it
works
find out what the ban rate was if I
would run it for I always called it
human hours so what I usually did I
tried to set up an a time frame between
8 and 10 hours in which it was actually
advertising and I tried to circle a lot
of parts in between so I basically had
- - bachelor world burn location and
that's how I actually was always also
able to figure out what the burn rate
was which at the time was almost not
know yeah it wasn't there yeah it was it
was great I could just run BOTS for like
the entire 14 days of the bond
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he had no issues there actually so that
was great and that's when I decided to
just throw it out of there the growth
from the star to like a few months in
like how was the growth well you know
it's in a lot more swaps quickly or was
it a bit slower
well we actually kicked off really
really hard when we left we actually had
the other French at already in check and
the continued the advantage we had was
that there were like a few people in
there who just knew that if people were
talking about oh I need to do a swap and
and they knew us a few of them knew us
were like okay just just go to these
guys and the thing we had at the time it
was like one of the first few weeks
piece we noticed that it was kind of
hard with with how many ranks we had
online because me and my brother-in-law
from the same time zone so you don't
have coverage for the for the entire day
basically at the start we decided to
split up timeframes so what we did he
basically got up very early to to walk
the dog at like 9:00 a.m. and then
afterwards he he started swapping until
I guess the evening and I swapped from
from the evening till around 3 a 3 a.m.
or 4 a.m.
it was it was really exhausting and it
wasn't very good for my schedule and
that's when we had someone who wanted to
apply to be a ring and it was already in
like this I think it was within the
first two weeks or so do you remember
your first like big SWAT like the first
what were you fall down this is a lot of
money that's this guy to trust me with
but at first I didn't really think of it
that much we swapped like 100
millisecond or 200 millisecond those
were in the in the early days those were
I guess big amounts because like the
cool price was very high at the time but
we we didn't really calculate it too oh
my god I'm actually holding so much so
much money I never looked at it that way
basically and it was a point when we
when we first started selling off some
gold because we just basically had too
much that we that I started to calculate
what what yeah what kind of money I was
actually holding which was really
surprising I think the first time was
when we when we kept the the one bill
mark 107 that was the first time that I
was like okay this was still on the time
that one bill oh 7 or above was was
insanely much and as I said that was the
moment when I was like okay this is this
is pretty serious actually yes a lot of
money how much were GP prices that's
fine do you remember the highest I sold
gold for I think was just a little below
$3 per mil okay nice could you tell me a
little bit about spam bots we basically
shorted out the the big world which
Worlds two worlds 3 Ferdie
I think 3:18 and a few other a few other
others actually as well which worked
pretty great until a lot of vents
started coming in yeah and there was the
the time that they were actually
moderators were walking at the ground
exchange they were instantly or muting
or embedding the accounts
which was quite annoying that's why we
try to innovate our our boating script
so we actually paid a scriptor to
develop a bot that they that as soon as
a moderator would walk into the screen
that the spam bots would stop spamming
so they they they could still check that
basically so we pay the guide to develop
that the only thing we needed was a big
list of J mod names and player mod names
as well I have player mod names was just
a list you can get from the internet
somewhere and then it would add ability
he just quit and basically back off that
worked for a bit and that's actually how
we started spamming a lot and then it
was a point of time when we when we
actually had to innovate because
basically our advertisement we had got
instantly been like really just as soon
as we put them down the gap and we tried
everything with using different kinds of
VPNs using different kind of PBS's and
manually doing the tutorial islands
instead of vaulting tutorial islands and
using legit names confirming emails just
just basically do everything to make it
look to the look legit we try to train
the accounts for a bit as well
like I don't know just got a few levels
in boot cutting and cooking or just like
some dumb stuff but that at least the
accounts weren't level 3 with all one
stats and nothing seemed to work
so let's get let's talk about when you
first started to see the your FC was
getting really successful like you were
getting a lot of rank sales a lot of
swabs talk me through that period of
time the first time I actually started
noticing how how big it was was when I
was I was swapping at the time and I was
like ok we're we're going to do a tour
party and we were
been advertising it for a while and it
was I think it was like 100 mil or 7
which at the time was was a pretty big
amount like throw parties at the time
were like ten or seven or maybe 20 or 25
so 100 millisecond throw party was
actually a big deal and I always checked
what my what my stock value was like how
many goals do I actually have and I
realized that when I started the stream
and I was like 20 minutes in I already
was up 100 millisecond
I already made back the money before my
dropping dropping party actually started
when you were starting to you make a lot
of money how much per day in gold were
you making as well as gold you know the
USD value as well why I think I know it
I know it in months because I would sell
off a little bit of my gold and I would
solve a part of the profit I usually
would sell off at the end of the month I
think it was around
three or four K us eight USD yeah those
were the sort of good months there was
well it was sort of sustainable I guess
and what was the the highest amount your
in-game banks got to my highest in-game
bank but I always had a rule to never
keep more than 300 mil or seven per
account which at a certain point was
really difficult because I had I think
fifty mules
I still think I lost some of the money
because I just don't know the accounts
anymore yeah do you think it would be
possible now for someone completely new
to just try and set up a friend's chat a
swapping friends chat I don't think so
actually I think it's I think it's too
hard but it costs a lot of money and I
don't think you're the money you have to
spend now improper advertising to get
your friends jet running is not it's not
worth it I think you actually make a
loose so have you change your
advertising methods from when you first
start it's not the advertisement for me
as personally its kind of death most
most new people we get in is true true
forums so for instance through site the
other
the other way we get people in this
Twitter I guess and when we talk when
like one of our customers or one of our
lawyers talks to people in gameday they
stay yeah they get people and you know
but it's not at all what it used to be
and in my opinion it's kind of a it's
becoming a dead business it already was
but it's it's now getting extreme what
has caused the decline of swapping in
your opinion I guess our country started
coming in they they started to swap for
for any real life profits and because
like if they would if they would sell
100 mil or seven like for us it's
probably nothing but for people in other
country they they are may be able to
live of that money for a week or maybe
for a month or I don't know but like for
them it's it's way more money than it is
for so they they room the margin as well
because they want to compete so they
they beat the margin but I I can't I
can't beat the margin and and have have
a swapping yet that's so profitable then
I can live off it basically are there
any friends shots that exist now and be
like what what killed off the friends
chance basically it basically just all
switched to this board which kind of
killed the French death activity it's
it's so more optimal than then offenders
chad was the community just transferred
to this court in my opinion I just want
to ask like what the biggest swap you
guys ever had with us
I figured was like almost 15 bill of
seven to rs3 that were that was like in
I would call it was like one session
swap
obviously you can't trade it in one
trade because you can't because of the
trade Hemant you know like adore the
money limit basically yeah like in one
session in one day the most we had and
then it was that was like just like in
one straight session not like spread
across 24 hours or something I figured
it was 15 bill o 7 2 hours tree but how
much are as free did he receive I think
at the time it was like us
I guess it's it's a it's a really I have
to guess I think it was around the 6.5
grade yes time so you just had like a
hunch bill are as freely ready to go
yeah well the the only thing I had is
like I said I spread my money and which
was always my my secure way why I went
actually all I could say never got bent
with with money so I had to get like all
those accounts together and and create
the money to to one account who actually
did the swapping and how much time it
was that's what I think we took it that
like at like a 0.5 margin profit because
it was such a large top we gave him a
great discount
because everybody wants to have it
obviously I would say around 6:00 bill
our sweet profit in USD value like how
much was that in circle it was basically
was 15 on the dollars that wasn't
actually the most money I made in the
day doesn't know how much was the most
neither I think it was 16 okay already
how did that stuff man that the
advantage I had with with Deadman
swapping was updates always occur at UK
time and in the Netherlands in the
Netherlands we're one hour ahead of of
the UK yeah so as soon as they put out
an update in the morning then
for me it's already one hour later
showed the chances that I'm that I'm
actually up and away are bigger and most
competitors we had were Americans which
were still asleep yeah and I saw the
dead man release notes like oh I guess
I'll just start trying swapping money
money because it's a new current sheet
and nobody knew the rates actually it
was like one guy on the forum she was it
was swapping for like a ridiculous rate
and I was like okay I'm Way bigger than
then and I'm no than in him so I'll just
throw up an extra 30 percent
just because I'm legit and it was
ridiculous like swamps just came in from
anywhere and like
I basically I think I was aligned it
like for me it was like beginning after
12 o'clock or something and I I stopped
at like 8:00 p.m. in the evening to get
some get some dinner yeah I think I was
already at like 6 k plus that when he
first really tried it how much was that
for my finger sold for 2,500 euros and
how did you find out about like what I
bought gold in my my past so I know I
knew the web sites and I basically I
bought from them like when I was like
really small amounts so I just tried to
figure out if it was able if it was
possible to sell and I just smelled it
sold in really small parts and it was
like the the first time I saw was like a
Dutch a Dutch thing so they had like
instant Frank bank transfers which they
were not able to to force back so I knew
the money was mine so this is basically
how I started off okay so in total how
much money do you think you've made from
swapping I figured that it's really
depending because like I've had times
when I was like making way less money
because it was busy with school we're
always doing other stuff I would say at
least like a hundred okay
like your ass yeah let's say you're us
okay
like a little bit of both I guess well
um it is last question yeah sure what do
you think Jagex thinks of you guys i
think they hate us I think they they
they don't like you well trade they
assume a lot of people swap because of
the world trade so they can make
money I think they should just focus on
the art of UT's themselves and not on
the swampers and try to make sure that
that weekend keeps poppin so people
don't get scattered yeah I think that's
the most annoying part there is so just
like they should just go off there are
WTS and don't bother this legit swappers
too much they're only providing a
surface which helps people or make it
illegal altogether like if they don't
want it just make it illegal altogether
but don't don't start like halt for
fights alright I hope you guys like this
like I said before if we get a lot of
good feedback then we'll do something
else I'm not so sure what to do the next
thing gone if you leave in the comments
you know what would interest you guys
let me know and if I see one that's got
a lot of interest then I can make a
video on it so yeah if this video
reaches like 200 likes then I'll
definitely make another one I'm not
expecting that amount of likes and this
is just basically a the amount of time
and effort it so that's what it would be
worth but if it doesn't reach that
that's fine
you know we can just have this as a
one-off standalone video and yeah
see you guys