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obviously going to be doing a deep dive
on
rodan and fields once again
this is one that i joined very
exciting great grand
i do always like to go over a bit of the
history
as well so let's go ahead and get into
the history and then of course if you
haven't watched any of my other deep
dives
you don't know you know the layout of
the videos but i go over
a bit of the history the products the
you know lawsuits some of those
the free trips the free car if there is
a car
and how they get paid and the income
disclosure statements and stuff like
that too
so basically just trying to give you
enough information so that you
won't join or if you're already in it
that you will clearly see
oh dear god what have i done of course
as my disclaimer says at the beginning
of this video and all of my videos
these are all my own opinions and
just research that i have found after
researching a lot
i will have all of my sources down below
um if you are a rep for rodan and fields
and try to come for me and be like
all of it's a lie try again because most
of this information i actually found
from rhode and field's own website so
who's lion can you tell i've done a
couple of these
deep dives and i know what to expect now
also this is not an attack on the
company itself
or any distributors for rodan and fields
either
legally i have to say that please don't
sue me however i i don't like any mlms
anyways okay
so a brief history so rodan and fields
llc
also known as rodan and fields also
known as rnf
is an american manufactured is an
american manufacturer
and multi-level marketing company
specializing in
skin care products of course though i do
want to make it clear they didn't start
out as a mlm mlm meaning multi-level
marketing company
katie rodin and kathy fields the
creators of proactiv
started rodan and fields the brand
itself in 2002 and then they sold it a
year later the products were sold
in department stores and then the
following year after that
the brand was actually purchased by
estee lauder which i mean estee lauder
is a brand in itself
but estee lauder owns a lot of other
companies
as well in 2007 rodan and fields
actually re
the people actually reacquired the
business and then
switched it from you know a normal
business model of you know being sold in
department stores
and transitioned it into a multi-level
marketing company so rodan and fields
met in
1984 during their dermatology residence
at stanford university school for
medicine in 1995
they developed proactive which is very
very popular till this day
it's very popular and it's a
preventative skincare line
for acne i mean it come on i'm 30 and it
was
so freaking popular when i was in middle
school and
high school and even in college i mean
it's still kind of you know popping now
too i didn't even have any like skin
issues or
acne at all and i like wanted to use the
products because like it was like cool
to use them back then
proactive is actually now a registered
trademark of
nestle and i can tell you this
specifically from
the training documents and watching all
those videos and being in it of course i
didn't sell anything and i didn't
recruit anybody
i didn't even really try to at all they
really do
push the fact of like oh well you know
it's made by the same people who made
proactive and they
really really really really pushed that
to
legitimize themselves the company has
its headquarters
in san francisco california and in 2015
they launched into
canada and then in 2017 and september
they launched into australia as well now
let's talk about the products for
a minute so these products i
person i've said this before i've been
very honest about it i personally liked
a few of them like the lash boost i
never even used it on my lashes i didn't
even
i didn't even try because i was like i
don't want it to like turn my eyeballs
brown because i have blue eyes but it
did help like
this part grow but then after i stopped
using it it like stopped working
so it's stupid but their active
hydration serum i did like that as well
but then again like they're just so
expensive and there's no reason for them
to be that expensive at all
no reason whatsoever for instance one of
my favorite
skincare products is the neutrogena
hydra boost this is my favorite this is
literally my holy grail
i put it on my hands my neck my chest my
face once a day twice a day sometimes
and it's part of my morning routine as
part of my nighttime routine
and i love it it's amazing it is a great
product and it is affordable
and you don't have to go through a
confusing website or
a distributor to get it you can
literally buy it anywhere
but yes like i said their products are
ridiculously overpriced their active
hydration serum is like
99 or like a hundred dollars and
it's crazy like why is it that expensive
there's no reason
now there's also a couple of their
products or rather
ingredients in their products that have
been linked to
eye irritation um groundwater pollution
pollution from the manufacturing process
and i will link
a article that i really liked um down
below this person
who it was a blog post that she did and
it i
appreciated it it was very well
researched i thought and
i liked it a lot so she included a bunch
of stuff um i'll put some
you know on the screen right now but
there's a lot of their products as
not their products but a lot of the
ingredients in their products that are
for instance
banned in europe which it's like why
like what are you doing
so i think that's just very interesting
also there are you know it's hard to say
well oh you know this
is linked to you know causing cancer
this is linked to causing this literally
everything causes cancer
if you're using you know a small dose of
something it may be different but also
i just think that's interesting as well
um now
lawsuits so in april 2020
thank god the ftc issued a warning
letter
to your warning letters rather to a lot
of
multi-level marketing companies and
rodan and fields was one of them
and it was for making unlawful and
misleading
earnings claims you know income claims
in relation to
covid so basically for misleading people
into joining their mlms and taking
advantage of people during like this
global pandemic basically which is extra
shitty it's shitty no matter what at any
time even without a pandemic but it's
extra shitty during a pandemic so
thankfully the ftc saw that and was like
hey
don't do that welcome to another episode
of hey don't do that
for instance uh some of the examples of
earnings claims made by
your business opportunity participants
or representatives include
rodan and fields is always open for
business even during quarantine
i've been working from home for three
years now and still making money
when other people aren't isn't it about
time you found out
what it is i do and how this company
really works
hashtag work from home hashtag financial
freedom
another example is we all need something
to fall back on
when our plan a crumbles for many many
people right now plan a
is no longer providing given that we are
all at home trying to manage this new
normal
let's chat and get all of your questions
answered and start getting that plan b
up and running bringing in that extra
income hashtag extra income hashtag
financial freedom
the text accompanied an image with the
text no risk
no experience needed and can be
profitable immediately which no it can't
and another great example is
during an uncertain time like this one
thing i am very grateful for
is residual income from my home based
business
if you're struggling and could use an
extra few hundred dollars a month
why not give this a try hashtag residual
income the image accompanying the post
states i have spots available on my team
if you want to make an extra 200 500 or
a thousand
a month message me representations about
a business opportunity and
including earning claims violates
section 5
of the ftc act 15 usc
if they are false misleading or
unsustained um
unsubstantiated and then it cuts off
obviously if you ever see anyone in an
mlm
posting stuff like that please report
them to the ftc
if we report enough people the ftc may
actually send out these letters or do
something to these mlms because
i have seen countless people literally
every that sounds like every post that
we see right
but usually it's on their instagram
stories
and not on their actual grid so i feel
like that's kind of shitty that they get
away with a lot more stuff
okay let's talk about money so just like
with every
mlm the compensation plan is so
confusing
let's be honest it's very confusing but
essentially there's two ways to make
money with any mlm people can say
there's 10 ways to earn
there's not there's two ways that you
will get paid
and then they just call it a bunch of
different ways so you are paid
for recruiting building a team and
selling a product
you make more money by recruiting
someone and building a team
than you do for selling products you can
only rank up if you are building
a team and now this is all commission
based all sales based all recruiting
based there's
no other benefits to this okay now now
this is even from their compensation
plan and it says the road in and fields
compensation plan offers five ways to
earn
and as we read through it we'll see no
there's not it's selling the product and
recruiting people
so one retail profit from selling
product to retail customers and
preferred customers pcs
so that's basically like a vip customer
they are on like a flex ship
thing or they pay a certain amount of
whatever and they get
like a certain discount mostly all mlms
have that
two consultant commissions from sales to
the consultants
and pcs that you sponsor so so you're
making money from selling products to
your own team
great and then also personal team
commissions on sales made
by your personal team and consultants
that you sponsor so you're making money
off of the people that you recruited
into
the mlm generational commissions on
sales made by the extended organization
your personal team creates so
generational meaning the people
that the people who were recruited by
the people that you recruited
are you catching you smelling smelling
when i'm stepping in
performance bonus for perf for
performance achievements now
that's that's just silly because it's
like okay well what are what are the
achievements
at recruiting and selling so that's it
it's very it's very strange that they
try to make it sound like it's different
it's not it's the same as every other
mlm okay now let's talk about
the income disclosure statements now in
every deep dive i always want to go over
the income disclosure statements if
there even is one for some mlms
they don't put them out which is illegal
and not only unethical but if they
they have to if they're based in the us
they have to do that but a lot of them
don't which is unfortunate
um now we can look at the commission
structure and the commission plan all
day long but the thing is is
are people actually making that money
like sure it's cool that you know you
can make all this but i want to see
what money people are actually making if
you hear any weird sounds i'm sorry
my bulldog is on the floor his name is
wiggum he's the light of my life he is
chewing on one of his favorite toys it
is a red t-rex
and he lives here you don't so he gets
to make all the noise he wants
i'm not sorry about it anyways so per
the 2016
income disclosure statement for road and
fields 90
90 of distributors made less than 200
per month and 96 made less than 500
per month that same year 125
348 distributors which was 44
of the total 284
884 recorded earnings zero dollars
so that's almost half earned zero
dollars
so like why are people joining this
company why are people joining any mlm
like
numbers don't lie well researched
sourced
numbers don't lie because there are
there are instances where mlm reps have
completely just butchered statistics
and made them work in their favor and
it's like where's the study for that and
they're like here it is and it's like a
meme and it's like no
that's not you can't you can't just put
something on a meme and call it facts
that's not how that works
crazies now that same year in 2016 only
two percent
of active distributors made
more than minimum wage annually that's
insane
now as i'm filming this video they have
not released
their 2020 income disclosure statement
so the most recent one i have is 2019.
it's the middle of april
like why have you not even mo nate
released theirs so like why have you not
released it yet that's
offensive like it's not that hard it's
exhausting honestly
okay so the one from 2019 is even worse
than
the ones from years before obviously as
an mlm gets bigger and bigger and bigger
the people at the top make more money
and then people at the bottom just
make less and i from what i've seen
that's true with
every mlm they can say they had a great
year but
don't you because that's the only and i
will put it up on the screen 50 of
distributors made less than
466 annually 91.7
made less than 2 314
which would actually come out to 192
dollars monthly
or if you were working eight hours a day
like you
working a normal job it would only be
one dollar
and 11 cents per hour and at the very
bottom
it even says that only 70 made over 1
million dollars in 2019
and that's only 70 people that's only 70
people
out of the 362 300
total distributors that they had in the
us
and that's just the u.s in 2019 that is
offensive one thing that i do at least
appreciate is that they
do put out like this all of the
information right that i need personally
so for instance with monet
i can't find how many reps there are
in the us and so that i know how many
total like across
all five countries but i can for the
life of me i cannot find
how many representatives they have in
the u.s
and i'm thankful that at least rodan
fields puts out that information because
then we're able to actually do the math
with those percentages and see okay how
many people
are at each level you know how many
people are at the top because when
you're just looking at these percentages
it's easy to it's easy to kind of
separate yourself from
like the percentage and be like oh well
yeah okay
only you know one percent get up there
but i'm gonna get up there like look at
all these people who have this you know
car and
these trips and they are at this level
but then when we actually look at it and
we're like oh there's only 70
people at the top
out of almost 400 000 like that's
that's not good so when you actually
break it down to what
number of people i think that not only
makes it
more you know personal but it makes it
it makes it even more of a visual and
really shows you how
unattainable this opportunity that
they're selling you really is
but of course i can probably still not
be able to find
that information for money okay so as
with all mlms
or like the bigger ones let's say
there's usually always
the free trips and the free car neither
of which are free
so there's two aspects of that when i
say neither of them are free
so with an mlm you are a 1099 contracted
employee
you are not a digital franchise owner
you are not a small business owner you
are not an entrepreneur
you're not any of that you are a 1099
independent
contracted employee with them you are a
salesperson
that's what you are you are a
distributor you are a salesperson for
them
some might even say you are a customer
which you are
that is how mlms get the majority of
their sales is
through their distributors and through
new people signing up
because they have to buy a product pack
now the
car bonuses the free trips
the anything like that what the mlm does
and all of them do this what the mlm
does
is that counts basically as your income
so it's taxed so even if you're not you
know paying for it
that goes you know in into your income
right so you have to report that as
income
or rather it's on your 1099 form that
the mlm gives you at the end of the year
or in january whatever now you have to
pay taxes on that
so no it's not free that's one aspect of
it even
even if the mlm actually does pay for
the
entire car outright i mean it's still in
your name so it's
still tax doesn't matter it's yours it's
not theirs it's in it
it's affecting your financials not
theirs so it's not free and then even
with the free trips if they actually are
you know if it is really all inclusive
and they're paying for
you know your airfare your spouse your
partner whoever your plus one's airfare
you're
um you know they're giving you like a
thousand dollars for you know the meals
or you know what is that an
all-inclusive place and they really are
paying for all of this and activities
and
you know they give you gift bags and
things like that which is very rare
but that's still again they're gonna put
that
as part of your income so that is tax so
you are still paying on it so no it's
not free when it comes
to the free car it again it's not free
just like
other mlms that have car programs it's
under your name
either the lease or the or the loan
and with rodan and fields you have to
get a white mercedes again it's in your
name
per level that you're at they will give
you a
certain number like a certain amount a
certain bonus
per the level that you're at okay now if
you don't
meet the monthly requirements for that
bonus and you are not getting that bonus
and a lot of times
that bonus does not actually cover
the entire monthly cost of the car the
down payment
is still your responsibility the
maintenance
the tag the title all of that especially
maintenance which is very expensive on a
luxury car olive and insurance all of
that is still
that's still your problem because it's
your car you're still paying for that
the mlm is not paying for that
now you can't you know opt for you know
them to give you the car bonus so that
you can pay off your car
no you only get the car bonus if you
actually have
the white mercedes in your name i have
heard
and i am hopefully going to be able to
get uh the interview scheduled with a
friend of mine now we've become friends
she's amazing beautiful love her who was
at the top
was at the top of rotanna fields for
quite a while
and she even said that the free car
aspect of it
is insane because she even said she was
like it cost me a lot of money and like
to
try to keep the car she's like i had to
try to buy you know products and
spend a lot of my own money just to make
that rank
to keep the car so it ended up costing
she did the math and it ended up costing
her a lot a lot of money which is crazy
she actually just got rid of the car
thank god okay so all in all it is not
free but of course let's go over
this document that is directly from the
rodan and fields
website itself so here is the rodent and
fields road to rf car
incentive program terms and conditions
for anyone who wants to say i'm
completely lying about it this is
straight off their website
section one program eligibility the
rodent and fields dermatologist
road to rf car incentive program
recognizes and celebrates practices and
behaviors
that help build enduring road in and
fields businesses
to be eligible to participate in the
road to rnf car incentive program
a consultant must have an active
consultant agreement
in compliance with rnf dermatologists
policies and procedures
qualification period its ongoing program
at the beginning
beginning on october 1st 2019 it's
whenever they started the
program the qualifications and
maintenance requirements to qualify for
jesus how are they going to say this
this many times to call we're just going
to say to qualify for the car let's say
that to qualify for the car
an eligible consultant must achieve the
following performance criteria
for three consecutive commission periods
which is a month
so just like in monet you have to
qualify for it for three months and
obviously continuously but you have to
be able to
make those you have to be able to hit
that criteria for three straight months
and then you're able to get it
one personal team volume of 7 500
that's 7 500 or higher or
total 1l and 2l volume of 12
500 or higher so the team volume meaning
your team has to buy a certain amount of
products or sell a certain amount of
products
or you have to buy or sell that much
of product which is a lot that's a lot
total organizational volume
and then it says and total
organizational volume
of 125 000 or higher so like every
that's everyone in your downline not
just like your team but like their team
their team their team
that is so much and so it's not just or
or or you can't just you have to meet
all of these all of these numbered
things
number three paid payday's level five
executive consultant title
at the close of each commission period
and not use a grace period at least
monet has a grace period
and i'm pretty sure arbonne does too
damn rodent fields is ruthless
good god so that's a lot that's a lot
good god oh yike program details each
consultant will be responsible for his
or her
own lease or purchase and the vehicle
management
it's not a free car you're buying it
it's it's off of
it's off of your own it's off of your
own credit that's why a lot of these
people not only writing in fields but in
all mlms once they qualify like they
can't get the car
because their credit sucks or and i've
said it in another video
too or they can't like provide proof for
their income
because it's not like it's not stable
because they're in an mlm and that's
their only job
so a lot of times they'll have to get a
co-signer and i don't know about y'all
but i don't care who it is i'm not
having i'm not co-signing for anyone
so that sucks i mean i'll go sign for my
husband he's responsible but
no the lease or purchase of the vehicle
must be in the name
of the active consultant who qualified
for the program so for instance
if i joined and like made all these
ranks and but then
i couldn't like i couldn't have it be
under tony's name it would have to be
under my name
that sucks as well especially for people
who don't have good credit
consultants may choose from any new or
certified pre-owned
lexus oh i thought it was a mercedes
what
that's weird i thought they got a
mercedes anyways pre-owned the vehicle
must not
be more than three years old in starfire
pearl ill or shade of white am i an
idiot i thought that the rhoda and
fields girls got mercedes
i mean i know the arbonne girl so i
didn't realize it was a lexus i was
in this company i should know but i i
didn't oh well
anyways rodan and fields will pay a car
allowance
of 750 per month for each commission
period
a consultant qualifies for the incentive
program
up to a total of 36 months or until the
vehicle is
5 years old whatever occurs first no
incentive payments will be made
on vehicles that are more than five
years old
so if you oh god yikes
so if you buy wait a minute it's in the
program totally
36 months okay so eve even if you
buy the car i mean if you lease it okay
that wouldn't really affect it because
why would you
lease a car for longer than that but if
you buy the car
they're not gonna pay for it after five
years
or 36 months like then your car's not
paid off like
i mean hopefully no one is in rodan
fields for that long but i know there
are people who are like that's crazy
i guess would you just get another one
and have them start all over
i think okay i think that's what it is i
think they're trying to have you get
like a new car
so that you're not like driving over god
forbid you have a luxury car that's over
five years old
good god consultants must maintain
program qualification
each commission period to receive the
car allowance for that period yeah we
get it
section five program application and
procedures submit a letter of intent
to participate in the allowance program
uh
sends a signed copy of the lease or
title verifying
procurement of the vehicle in compliance
with the terms of the program so again
you are only getting that
after you have already purchased or
leased the car
so and also with luxury cars
a lot of times especially if you're not
putting anything down or you're only
putting like a thousand dollars down or
something
most likely your payment monthly is
going to be more than
750 so that doesn't really help you
like yeah it's a little bit i mean not a
little bit but yeah i mean something's
better than nothing but
stop saying that it's a free car when
it's clearly not and
they don't it doesn't look like they
give you anything for
yeah they don't they don't give you
anything for the down payment that's
really
um also one thing that it does say on
here too is
other terms um the incentive program is
not transferable to other
written and fields consultants which
that's understandable
the value of the incentive card
allowance payments will be reflected
on the consultant's 1099 form at the end
of each year each consultant is
responsible
for applicable state and federal taxes
rnf reserves the right to change the
terms
of the car incentive program at any time
without notice that sucks volume
associated with return purchases
that counted as qualifying sv or cv
i'm assuming team and personal volume
all these different
like terms in these mlms are so dumb for
the car program will be deducted
for the purpose of determining award
qualification
r f reserves the right to review any
product returns
resignations and terminations following
a
program award or bonus and adjust for
future
compensation payments accordingly so
basically that's saying that they can do
clawbacks
which sucks clawbacks suck that means
that if someone returns something or
someone quits below you and you were
paid
already like for that that they can take
that
out of like your next commission check
which sucks like i said
okay all right rnf car incentive program
is an optional incentive program offered
in addition to other commissions awards
bonus programs in effect during
the qualification period of the program
the current incentive program does not
modify or replace the rodent and fields
compensation plan
got it this is my favorite okay
so participants in the r f car incentive
program
acknowledge and agree that in no event
shall
rodan and fields be liable for damages
of any kind
arising out of the lease or purchase of
any lexis automobile utilized
by a program participant participants
further acknowledged that
the car incentive program is an
incentive program
provided by rodan and fields two wrote
in the fields independent
consultants and that no sponsor endorser
or other relationship exists between
rodan and fields and lexus a
division of toyota motor sales usa
that's obnoxious i'm pretty sure they
had to put that in there because i feel
like a while back
some of these mlms were using the fact
that they have these like type of
programs as a way to legitimize
their business and be like oh well if we
were a pyramid scheme like lexus
like lexus wouldn't you know partner
with us and it's like they don't
these dealerships hate y'all they oh my
god i've talked to so many people from
dealership
and they're just like i i can't stand it
when i see these girls coming in
and they all they want to do is take it
for a test drive or
take pictures with it and a lot of times
they i can't qualify
them and they're not approved for the
car they're like i know it's just gonna
be a waste of my time
it's obnoxious and sometimes it's really
sad too because they like don't get it
all right friends so i know that was a
little bit shorter
of a deep dive um but you know sometimes
it's just it's better to just stick to
the specifics and
you know the things that people really
do focus on the most
so i always just want to make that clear
and also a lot of times these people
already had great skin before adjoining
or you know they'll use
you know fake before and afters or
recycle like the same over and over
again uh the thing is though is that and
i always want to make this clear with
any mlm
that it's it's not the product that's
making your skin better it's the fact
that you're putting more effort and
actually using like a skincare system
that's what's making your hair skin body
better that you're actually putting
effort into it okay
so that was the last thing i wanted to
say i hope you enjoyed this video i hope
you learned something
if you were approached by someone and
wanted to
you know you're doing research and you
wanted to you know possibly join rhodan
in fields
um and they told you that you could just
join
and you know not recruit people take it
from me you will
most likely not be able to sell any of
these products they are extremely
overpriced
either way be i mean a multi-level
marketing company no matter which one it
is it's extremely unethical
and you're not going to be able to
really make money or rank up or get any
of these perks
unless you are recruiting other people
into it so it's the same that i
always say about all of the other mlms
too so
please do not join they only see you as
a dollar sign if you would like to see
you know clear examples of that
definitely watch my playlist that i
linked up there of my other anti-mlm and
commentary content i have a lot
you know debunking just things that's
mlm reps
not only you know i talk about money
probably the most but not only ones that
you know monet reps say but
really just common objections and
rebuttals and you know the one-liners
that they say so
i debunk those all the time literally in
every single video so if you want to
watch any of those
um if you do have any questions comment
down below and
me or one of my funny and very educated
subscribers
will be able to help you out but
you are worth more than being in an mlm
you are worth more than just a dollar
sign
how much money you make is not gage how
valuable you are you are very valuable
please remember that
don't fall for their bs i mean then the
numbers are there
it's gross so stay spicy
and i'll see you in my next video bye
you