here we go three two one hey what's up
my name is pat flynn i'm in podcasting
for over a decade now and in this video
you're gonna learn all about podcasting
we're gonna go deep into it we're gonna
talk about why podcasting pros and cons
how to get started what I wish I had
done differently and over the years it's
been a an amazing experience I've been
podcasting for like I said a decade I
have five different podcast right now
I've recorded over 1,500 episodes of
those podcasts and I've asked over 65
million downloads if you happen to be
one of the listeners of smart passive
income or ask Pat which are my two main
shows thank you so much I appreciate you
but today is all about you and learning
everything we can about podcasting and
how to do it and how to learn the right
way and where I want to start is
actually with why podcasting podcasting
is a really interesting medium it's much
different than the other mediums that
are out there today you think about
blogging you think about YouTube you
think about social media these are great
platforms that have been around for a
while but guess what podcasting has been
around for a while too but what's really
interesting about podcasting is that
it's audio only because it's audio only
certain and really amazing things can
happen number one in my most favorite
thing about podcasting is the
relationship you can build with the
people who are listening it's just a
different consumption experience and I
want you to think about and if you're
watching this live right now in a chat
let me know where do you listen to
podcast over 53% of the population is
listening to podcasts now and it's
growing more and more and in fact
people's listening behavior is really
interesting because you're not listening
for just five minutes at a time or 10
minutes at a time most people on average
are listening for 30 minutes or more why
it's because of where we are and what
we're doing when we're listening to
podcast in moments like that
we can't consume video we can't consume
blogs but we can consume audio passively
but actively listen it what's really
cool as a podcast creator you know at
this point I create a podcast and it's
getting blasted out to hundreds of
thousands of people every single month
which is amazing but to the listener it
feels just like a one-on-one
conversation it's a very intimate way to
scale your business and in fact even if
it's not for a business even if just for
a hobby it doesn't matter if you have a
big niche or you're just starting out
and you're starting from scratch or you
have a biz
and you want it to scale Podcast can be
a great thing to include in your
repertoire and it can be your primary
mode of content creation to which it is
for a lot of people in fact many
people's livelihoods and their entire
career is based on their podcast which
is really cool now a podcast is not a
business platform it is a means by which
you can build a business on it is a
platform to attract an audience it's a
platform to build superfans it's a
platform to have advertisers be
attracted so that you can perhaps use
that as a business model but I prefer
collecting email addresses and then
sending people recommendations for tools
and resources software coaching program
other etc items that are helpful to them
whether they're my own in which case I'm
making more profit or affiliate
marketing where I'm sharing that profit
but offering things that likely I cannot
create myself and we'll talk about
monetization a little bit more but
podcasting is so much fun and plus the
ease of creation is really great so
let's talk a little bit about pros and
cons here to further this discussion
here about podcasting I think there are
some really interesting pros and some
cons that we definitely need to pay
attention to because it is not the best
platform depending on certain things so
we're gonna go pro con pro con we've
talked about a couple of those pros
already the way for you to build an
amazing relationship with your audience
however a con is the ability to find
that audience it's a lot harder for you
to have the possibility to grow faster
on a podcast for a few reasons number
one there just happens to be less
podcast right versus the number of
people who are consuming or podcast
listeners is less than there are people
watching YouTube or on the internet
searching for things on Google and then
personally finding your blog or your
website right so there's less podcast
listeners and in addition to that there
is the ability for you to not have your
face be seen like on a video but your
voice does a very very good job of
helping you be found and actually build
out an amazing relationship right this
is far beyond blogging where it's just
text only there's just something about
the voice and I think this is why
there's far less podcast because it's a
little bit harder to get over that hump
but we do know that there are over 500
million blogs out there 500 million
active
blocks which is just insane right
there's so many yet more blogs are
starting all the time
there's about thirty to forty million
active YouTube channels which is a ton
but we just crossed on April 20th 20 21
million podcast so although there are
less podcast listeners a pro is there's
less podcast to compete with and in fact
it is those who are starting now who are
reaping the rewards and it's it's just
still the Wild West out there it's a lot
of fun it's easier to create than a lot
of these other things but you can also
fight through the competition much
faster too because like I said they're
just much less and now with some really
interesting things happening the world
of podcasting like I don't know if
you've recently heard Joe Rogan's show
recently got bought out by Spotify and
it's gonna be exclusive on Spotify this
isn't this is unheard of to have a
platform pay this much money for a
podcast specifically but for exclusivity
with something that only has a million
other podcasts right versus a YouTube
channel or a blog or a big brand or a
big company with some software this is
content this is huge news and it's such
good news because what's gonna happen is
more and more people are going to be
listening to podcasts and what's great
is on average people are listening to 7
to 10 different shows so you don't have
to compete with other shows that are out
there you can complement a person's
playlist and add to it and I love when
celebrities and big news in the
podcasting space happens because I
always see more and more listeners come
my way cuz that's the cool thing about
this platform it's really simple to find
you once people know how to find you
analytics are not good though this is a
big con in the podcasting space
analytics are not great and you only
have essentially what you have in your
hosting provider as far as download
numbers where those downloads are coming
from the device that they're downloading
on and that's essentially yet Apple
podcasting Google podcast manager which
are other tools that can help you they
only show the data from people listening
on Apple or Google respectively however
you do get a little bit more insight on
the consumption behavior of individual
episodes you can actually see in
episodes where people are dropping off
and things like that
so there's a lot of just things that are
happening in the podcasting space and I
would imagine that hopefully in a year's
time from now which is why getting in
now would be great because you can have
your foot planted
and as more and more people are coming
in you know it's taking the same sort of
progress as blogging once what once had
write and blogging it very much feels
like that it's now starting to get
mainstream and you're gonna see a lot
more people flocking to it but as always
like with blogging like with YouTube the
cream rises to the top so hopefully in
today's episode here on the income
stream you'll be able to understand
exactly what you can do to stand out now
there's different types of podcasts
there are shows that are interview shows
right this is very popular where a
person is a host and they bring on
guests and that's really great for a
number of reasons number one you can
essentially tap into somebody else's
mind and capture that in a moment that
you can then share with others so
although you might be an authority or an
expert on something you don't
necessarily have to be to be able to
provide really good information in fact
for one of my podcasts called food
trucker school yes I had a business once
about helping people start a food truck
did I have a food truck myself no I did
not but I became and I played the role
of expert curator and that's what's a
really amazing thing about podcasting
you can curate in a really amazing way
where I brought on food truck owners and
ask them questions to help teach others
to and as a byproduct of that I became
an expert in the food truck space and I
knew how to start a food truck if I
wanted to and I packaged all that
information in fact the podcast still
continues to get three to four thousand
downloads a month now and yes it's very
niche and it's much smaller than my
other shows but imagine four thousand
people a month checking out that podcast
and I've recently sold that business and
we had products and it was making a few
thousand dollars a month but we sold it
and it was really great experiment and
that was a lot of fun and the other
thing that this shows you is that
podcasting is sort of like a stage it's
a stage but it's digital and it's a
stage that's much easier for people to
get to in a day and age where we can't
go to events and we can't meet people in
person a podcast in my opinion is the
next best thing in terms of the sort of
long-form content that you might receive
when you're at a conference and on stage
so highly highly recommend it interviews
are also great for the ability for you
to connect with the person on the other
end every time I have an interview with
somebody I'm having at least a 30 minute
conversation with somebody
and you cannot help but build a
relationship with that person especially
if you vibe right especially if you have
a great chap in many cases a podcaster
who I invite in the show will invite me
on their podcast too we'll talk about
podcast growth later but that's
definitely a smart strategy to get on
other people's podcasts whether you have
a podcast or not Seth Godin recently
said that podcasting is the new blogging
if that's the case well then guest
podcasting is the new guest blogging a
great way to grow your show but like I
said you can build a relationship and
build friendships with the people who
come on your show and in fact I have a
number of students who take my course
power up podcasting when I ask them why
did you take this course they said well
I wanted to start a podcast because I
just wanted to connect with industry
leaders and the by the secondary aspect
was you know growing the show and
getting listeners they just wanted to
use the platform as an asset to build
relationships let me know in the chat if
you're watching live right now if you
have built relationships with people who
you've interviewed on your show if you
happen to have a podcast - I can name a
number of people who I've got to know as
a result of the podcast I got to know
Tim Ferriss I invited him on my show
when one of his for our books came out
and he was more than happy to do it if I
just asked him for time the pick is
bright and he definitely would have said
no he was so busy but because I had an
asset where I can show off his book and
I could bring him on and you know feed
people his way he was definitely you
know there was a possibility of him
saying yes and he definitely said yes
now I did fanboy a little bit when I
interviewed him on my show in episode 51
of the podcast you can go listen to that
if you want
so smartpassiveincome.com session 51 but
I made the mistake of fanboying a little
bit for about five minutes up front
before actually getting into the content
I connected with and became amazing
friends with chalene johnson Sean
Stephenson from the model health show
Chris Ducker who's now one of my best
friends we connected via a podcast and
Gary Vaynerchuk Gary Vaynerchuk the
probably most busiest man in the world I
was able to connect with him
funny story I connected with his
assistant he was coming out with a book
he's like yeah we can get him on your
show but you only have 15 minutes and I
was like whoa my episodes are only about
an hour so I'd love to have him on for
longer and they're like no 15 minutes is
good but even though it was just 15
minutes we connected I
became friends with him and now we
connect with each other every once in a
while and in fact we are both on the
board of pencils of promise which helps
build schools around the world which is
really cool and really fun so
connections man connections go a very
long way and then you can build
Authority through association through
the people that you interview on your
show really really amazing things can
happen now there's other types of
podcasts again we're talking about types
of podcasts now there's arsh there are
shows that are more solo shows where
it's just one person and they are the
hosts of every show and they're
delivering the content their
storytelling and even though you might
be mentioning other people it's
essentially your voice the whole time
and a good example of this is Chris
Kuehl about who has the startup podcast
or not the startup podcast side hustle
podcast right and he wrote the book $100
startup there's all these podcasts that
have very similar names right there's
Nick lopers the side hustle show and a
few others too but just let me turn off
my notifications here authority through
association yes indeed thank you Jim and
I appreciate that so solo shows are
great because you don't have to worry
about scheduling which is one of the
hard things about doing a interview show
and it can be very intimidating to talk
to other people but I would highly
recommend trying to do some interviews
org or maybe even don't consider an
interview perhaps have that person come
on as a co-host you can start with your
friends make it easy on yourself and
that's how it gets started then you can
branch out to other people who you reach
out to cold a solo show however does an
amazing job of positioning you as an
authority however it is significantly
harder to create because you have to
talk by yourself for however long and
you have to keep it interesting you have
to keep it going now the beauty of
podcasting is that it's recorded ahead
of time so you can sort of record a bit
stop catch your breath
think about the next portion continue
recording and keep going and when you
swish everything together at the end you
have this beautiful show right and you
are painted as an authority a little bit
more research goes into it however
interview shows aren't as hard or aren't
as easy as they sound yes you have to
ask the right questions but you have to
ask the right questions you have to stay
and keep that person engaged you have to
pull out that great information and try
to get stories to come out
storytelling by the way is what
podcasting I feel is meant for no matter
if you're doing solo shows or interview
shows or a mix of both like me try to
pull out the stories as much as possible
you have a lot more time to work with in
a podcast so you can get a lot deeper
and emotional with the content that you
are creating even if you happen to be
creating an episode that's like a list
post like top 5 strategies for Facebook
as in 2020 I would still tell stories
that lead into those tips just a basic
list post well that can be done on a
blog that can be done in a video very
simply but a podcast where you can go a
little bit deeper you can get people to
connect more you can have more context
related to the lessons that you're
teaching and again you can position
yourself as an authority and people can
build a relationship with you so there
are other podcasts that are you know and
essentially if you just go into your
podcast subscription service whatever
you use for podcasting and listening
you'll find a lot of different mixes of
different kinds of podcasts there's
definitely the more NPR style podcast
which are essentially like more
journalistic type podcasts which do so
amazing things like adding background
noise background music and just creating
essentially an episode that feels very
very produced now mind you they have
multitudes of members of teams so they
are able to do that and do it much
simply much more simply I'm not good at
grammar right now but there that it's
much easier for them to produce because
they have a whole team to do that but
you can't add a little bit of flavor
onto your show by adding background
noise background music by playing with
the dynamic dynamics of your voice
asking really good questions telling
more stories so yeah there's a lot of
different kinds of episodes now what
works for you is gonna be different than
what works for me but I would experiment
I would definitely and highly recommend
if you were thinking of going solo only
try to do a couple interviews every once
in a while or have a co-host come on and
make it special it doesn't have to be
every single time but the most important
thing is that with your podcast you try
to remain consistent no matter what it
is you can't experiment with different
episodes in fact pattern interrupts are
really important in podcasting too maybe
every episode is an interview show and
you just happen to do a solo show one
day and make a big deal about that where
it's just you and you just paint
yourself it's this Authority about a new
topic that you're talking about and then
you can see how people react you can see
what people like what people don't like
and I would advise that you listen to
other podcasts too to see what style you
like so you can adopt it
yourself don't copy other people but see
and get inspired by others and adopt it
to your own show - next let's talk about
what I would do if I were to start over
because having done this for now ten
years there's many different things that
I would do differently if I were to
start over today
in fact at number one you kind of
realize that when I started it took a
long time December 2008 is when I
committed to starting a podcast so this
was over 12 years ago or about 12 years
ago and I wanted to start a podcast
because it was a podcast that changed my
life in fact it was called internet
business mastery and it was one single
interview that I heard on that show that
changed my life and it was an interview
with a man named Cornelius Fichtner who
was teaching people how to pass the
project management exam the p.m. exam
and I was listening to that soon after I
got laid off and that's what inspired me
to create a website to help people pass
the lead exam in the architecture world
led and that just changed everything for
me so I have internet business mastery
and Jeremy and Jason the - host of those
shows who to thank for and it's just was
life-changing so I always knew I wanted
to start a podcast because a podcast
changed my life so I bought all this
equipment in 2008 and I even posted a
podcast or I even posted actually you
want to listen to it you want to listen
to the very first audio file that I
posted online I think I could find it
here live on the on the on the stream so
I'm gonna go to YouTube right now
because I have it here and I want to
play it for you I want to share with you
just how ridiculous this first audio
file wasn't again this was in 2008 so
I'm gonna go to my video channel here
let's see you can watch follow along
audio recording let's see if it's it
yeah there we go my first audio
recording is about a minute length so
I'm gonna play this for you and you can
you can hear what it sounds like
[Music]
well what happened there I lost it can
you guys hear it did it go away let's
try this again one more time I don't
know what the rock music is wor that is
just I don't know
hey everybody this is Pat from the smart
passive income blog thanks for taking
the time to listen to this I think
that's so awesome that you know you guys
are helping me out figure out all this
new podcasting stuff I'm actually just
bought a whole bunch of podcasting
equipment for myself because I mean I
listen to a lot of podcast so I figured
hey why not do one so I mean really I
really don't know what I'm gonna talk
about yet
so I just wanted to get familiar with
all the equipment that I have right now
and uh what it's like to post something
online and hear what people think about
it so I mean you tell me should I give
up on podcasting now because my voice
sucks so bad or no should I talk a
little deeper or I know I have really
have no idea so again just thank you so
much for taking the time to listen to me
keep coming back to the website I got
tons of information coming up in the new
year
and let's make 2009 a great year for all
of us let's make it let's make it the
most profitable year we've ever had and
you know I'll try my best to help you
get there so again good luck with
everything
happy holidays and this is Pat Flynn
from the smart passive income blog
signing off peace that was 12 years ago
and that is very cringy to me I had good
equipment right so I sounded okay but
you could probably hear the tone of my
voice it just was not very confident and
in fact that was my 10th time recording
that before putting it out there it was
something that was very afraid to do in
fact I just was not confident but I put
it out there and that was December of
2008 my first episode came out in July
of 2010 after that recording I waited a
whole year and a half to get started
because I was so afraid I was afraid of
what people would say about my voice I
was afraid I was just gonna be wasting
my time I was much more comfortable
blogging and every time I tried to start
I would find some excuse to go back to
blogging because that was my security
blanket and hopefully you can see that
I've improved a little bit in terms of
communication over time I now have
recorded over 1,500 podcast episodes 65
million downloads if I were to start
over I would have just I would have just
put it out there much sooner my first
episode even even in July came out
I had three different recordings of it I
recorded it once it was terrible
absolutely absolutely trash all right so
I thought second time I recorded I in
fact wrote every single word I literally
scripted it out word-for-word I read it
and I almost put myself to sleep in the
third time I said okay I have a decision
to make here this already took like two
days to do and I have nothing to show
for it I either have to just hit record
and go and be a B be terrible at it and
as I said yesterday in the YouTube
tutorial much like that you have to be a
disaster before you become the master
and so I was just like you know what I'm
just gonna put it out there hums and
pauses and awkwardness and all and I put
it out there and now a decade later I
only wish I started sooner so I plead
with you if you've had an inkling of a
thought of starting a show definitely
start your show if you have a show and
you've been holding back even maybe not
very consistent and you're worried about
it a little bit and you don't think it's
a it's worth your time please put it out
there put it out there your audience is
looking for you and waiting for you
especially now this is the best time
more than ever to get started with the
show don't wait on this you're going to
regret it like I did now there's some
other things that I did when I started
my show that I wish I'd done differently
number one I wish I had studied
storytelling sooner and I wish I'd
studied being a great interview sooner I
did both of those things and when I
started learning more about storytelling
and structure and interviews and asking
follow-up questions and how to remain
curious during a podcast episode and how
to ask deeper questions that probably
other podcasters aren't willing to ask
that's when I started to see really good
results because the content spoke for
itself and with podcasting what's really
interesting is that word of mouth is a
big strategy when you create stuff
that's worth talking about people are
gonna talk about it and people will go
listen because it's free there's no
there's no barrier other than hey let me
show you how to find that episode and so
I only wish I started learning about
those things sooner another thing I wish
I did look for differently was thinking
that I had to do every bit of the
process myself forever now I'm very
thankful that I did everything myself at
the start I think it's important and I
teach this in my course to try
everything yourself including editing
and all the all the components of
podcasting but podcasting can gets to be
a drag and in fact
you'll find that there is a honeymoon
period in the world of podcasting and
there's something called pod fade
honeymoon period in the beginning it
might last two to three months where
you're really excited you're stoked it
you're okay with getting up there and
editing and spending five hours per
episode to put it up there and it's
great but then as soon as you hit
publish you got to do it again and
there's a lot of strategies that I teach
in my course about batch processing and
getting ahead on your calendar which I
definitely recommend you do however
there's this thing called pod fate where
after a certain period of time you just
get tired of it you kind of want to try
something different more exciting it
starts to feel like a chore again and
that's not good because then your show
will die and you haven't even given it
time to get to the point where it can
reach critical mass and start to grow
exponentially without you having to do
anything and that takes time to get
there
it takes absolute time to get there so
doing it all yourself
all the time can be hard however there's
a lot of people especially now a lot of
companies people support agencies who
will help you create your show from
everything from editing your podcast to
booking your guests on your show to
doing your show notes to publishing on
your on your website to marketing to
advertising and there's so many things
that didn't or that weren't available
when I started so now's the perfect time
you literally don't have excuse any
excuse not to do this but I would
recommend after a certain a period of
time when you're ready and you know
you're committed to doing this find
different ways that you could start
handing it off to others it took me six
years to get comfortable with having
somebody else touch my show and in fact
it started with a secondary podcast that
I had asked pat and in 2014 when I
finally got comfortable having somebody
else create that show for me I started
my world opened up for me I started to
become so much more productive and
started to turn into a machine that was
almost running on its own and I'm at a
point now where I can record an
interview with somebody on squad cast to
do interviews although you can use Skype
and zoom in other free platforms like
that but I love squad cast big shout out
to them I can record that interview I
can put that interview file into Dropbox
done that's literally all I have to do I
know because we've planned ahead of time
with a title that episodes gonna be
where it's gonna be posted when it's
gonna be posted it's all handled by my
other team members so yeah it's pretty
crazy
let's see a patient's life says so true
hired someone when I started to pod fade
in and made a huge difference with
consistently absolutely April says for
those of you who are struggling with
coming up with content for lives or
podcasts just do a deep dive an article
and other people in your niche put your
spin on the work of others yes or you
might have a blog or a youtube channel
and there's stuff that's popular there
too you can put your own spin or voice
into it in a podcast I talk a lot about
the same things on all these different
platforms sometimes people will only
want to have it in a audio format other
times people will want to go and listen
to it everywhere or watch it or read it
and consume as much from you as possible
so let's talk about first steps your
first step is definitely to understand
well what it is that you want to create
a show about it's definitely important
to nail what your show is about and who
is it for and nailing that niche because
when you can understand who it's for you
can better understand what kind of
content to create like April is just
saying in fact I would recommend
figuring out what all the questions are
that people have about that topic I
would do a deep dive like I talked about
in my course smart from scratch when you
create your Markram have to understand
what is out there in that space what are
people looking for what's popular what
are the trends and if you have a blog or
an audience already you can utilize that
audience you can ask them questions
about what they would like to see on
your show or who they would like to see
on your show when you ask your audience
first especially on a public platform
like social media that becomes great
proof for you to take to somebody who
you want to have on your show and go hey
my audience would love to have you on my
podcast how might I how might we make
this work but just starting out you know
like I would nail the title of your show
first because that makes it real I think
Seth Godin once said that when you name
something it becomes more real even if
it's not created yet just feels real
this is why I like classified things
have names like Project Falcon right or
whatever and so I think that naming your
show and then being able to describe it
to others can help you paint a
visualization of what it is that you
want this to become it also helps
influence what you want to talk about
who you might want to have a guest on
the show and all those sorts of things
now really important obviously at the
start is you need to get ready to record
and you need some equipment so I want to
do a quick shout out to a company that
sent me a microphone in a minute here
and I want to talk about it a little bit
because there's been a lot of debate
about microphones and
like I always want to make things as
easy as possible for you I mean you can
spend I mean this microphone here which
is the Heil Pierre 40 this is a $300
microphone and it's attached to a $200
box which is attached to my computer and
it includes $15 cords right like they're
like XLR microphone cords that's a lot
and my job is to reduce a barrier for
you as much as possible so I recommend
starting with a USB microphone and
there's a number of different USB
microphones that are great out there and
in fact that's all you need you just
need to plug it in and that's literally
all the recording equipment that you
need however you can obviously make it a
little bit better by having a boom arm
to go into it this is the boom arm that
allows me to keep it off my desk and
move it around wherever I want I also
have something here that you can see
it's called
a windscreen this allows for the wind
from my words to not enter the
microphone which would degrade the audio
quality but there's a couple microphones
that I've recommended for years this is
the ATR 2100 by Audio Technica this is a
great USB mic as you can see underneath
it there is a USB connection and an XLR
connection so if you had some of those
fancier things you can actually pop that
in here too however this mic has been
discontinued unfortunately now there's
the ATR 2100 X which is more expensive
but it's USB see it's a little bit more
powerful I've reviewed it on the channel
here before and it's a great microphone
however it isn't about the hundred
dollar price range the mic that I've
been recommending lately is the Samson
q2u
the Samson q2u microphone is the
microphone that we've been giving away
here on the stream for so many weeks in
a row now which is great and it's very
comparable in fact a lot of people
prefer it over the audio technica and
the accessories that come with it like
the stand and other things go really
well and go a long way too however a lot
of these microphones are now sold out
however there is a microphone that I
want to share with you that was sent to
me from a company called Harman it's the
AKG Lyra in fact I have it right here
and this is a great all-around
microphone this is not necessarily
sponsored but they did send this to me
so I just want to be upfront with you
I'm gonna unbox this really quick we're
not gonna spend too long on this but I
just wanted to give him a shout out
because I sent this to me but this is a
great microphone because it allows you
to do some really amazing things a
little bit more control than what you
have on the USB microphones like I just
talked about
what's really cool is you can actually
use this to interview somebody in person
and you can have a person on the other
end of the table it can actually capture
sound on one side of the mic and on the
other side of the mic it also has a
really nice crisp sound it has the
ability for you to not necessarily have
it right in front of your face so if
you're doing a lot of life streaming and
stuff and this is the microphone right
here and this is a beautiful microphone
too and it just came out so there's a
lot of them likely available unlike the
Samson in the ATR which are just like
flying off the shelves
but for live streams and YouTube this
this will work and for podcasting
especially if it has that feel of like a
radio microphone I don't know if you can
see this but it has it has a really cool
feel and it allows you to adjust things
like microphone patterns and the gain
right on here and you can mute it and
you can change it and there's in fact
underneath you'll see it's a USBC
connection you can tap in your
headphones there too it also is an audio
output but look at this thing like this
looks legit and it doesn't have to
necessarily be right in front of your
face but like I said you can turn it
this way and you can have somebody on
this side and somebody on this side
it'll capture them both really really
great so thank you a kg and Harmon for
this mic I'm not gonna plug it in right
now because we're gonna keep going here
with the content but a good option for
you that I haven't talked about before
and I'm excited to play around with this
I'm gonna do a full demo video later on
and I think because it's USB see you can
also connect it to your iPads if you
want to do some live streaming and some
podcasting on your iPad which is really
cool so that's really that's really
awesome thank you to Harman cool so
let's keep going here first steps
definitely first steps is to determine
what your contents gonna be about so
this is a this is a huge thing I often
teach my students try to come up with 25
different podcast episodes and/or guests
you don't have to nail the title right
away but just see if you can come up
with that much content so that way
you're not just struggling from day one
alright like oh my gosh you have to
create another episode what's it going
to be about you want to know these
things ahead of time and I think that
will take you a very very long way it'll
also validate that this is something
that you can do I know a lot of people
who get started with podcasting they're
like okay let's do this and then it's
like okay I'm three episodes in what am
I going to record I have no idea if you
plan ahead of time it'll validate
whether or not you can come up with a
content and that's where I would start
it'll also help you get excited about
moving forward too so we talked about a
little bit about equipment in software
that's something that's really important
as well in terms of software that I'd
recommend to record into I would highly
recommend checking out either GarageBand
if you're on a Mac or audacity if you
are on a PC and these are both free in
fact you might have access to GarageBand
already which would be really neat but
if you wanted to check out a tutorial
how to record a podcast on GarageBand
look at that number one Pat Flynn
hundred eighty-two thousand views that's
what I would recommend if you want to
learn these sort of ins and outs of
editing it's not very difficult in fact
it's basically the same in all these
programs you don't have to get super
fancy with it and literally with a lot
of these programs it's you record your
audio either on the outside like in an
interview and then you drag and drop it
in and it pops in there and you can
remove the parts that you don't want you
can move things together you can make
things louder softer you can add layers
like music and other parts to it too and
and that works really well and if you'd
like to do audacity how does it how to
record a podcast on audacity look at
that two hundred eighty nine thousand
views people like audacity even it's
good for mac as well if you're not a fan
of GarageBand my first software was
GarageBand I use GarageBand for five
years and it worked just fine and you
export it as an mp3 and then you pop it
into your hosting provider I'll talk
about that in just a minute now if you'd
like to capture interviews there's a
couple programs that you're probably
very familiar with you can record on
zoom although the quality is gonna be a
little bit less Skype is a little bit
better and it has built-in recording
into it as well however it does get
compressed a little bit and it's good
enough but if you want the Premal audio
quality I'd recommend checking out a
company called squad cast if you go to
smart passive income that coms slash
squad cast that is my affiliate link
that'll take you to a tool that is
really interesting because it records
locally on both ends and then it allows
you to download it in the highest and
most premium quality even though it's
done on the Internet what I love about
this is it helps you schedule a podcast
with your guests too and full disclosure
I'm an advisor for the company I love
this company so much I actually asked to
come on as an advisor and they're
absolutely amazing and they're doing
some great things to make the guest
interview experience even
better from the green room to just what
it's like to just send the link to
somebody to come on they don't have to
download anything
unlike Skype or zoom which is really
cool so smartpassiveincome.com slash
squad cast now in addition to that
you're also going to need a host when
you export your files from these pro
from these programs you have an mp3 file
you want to actually put them on
somewhere where people can then start to
download them because the way that
podcasting works is not like YouTube
where you publish of it you publish a
video by uploading it to youtube in then
everybody who's subscribed gets to it it
doesn't work like that in fact what
happens is you have to upload your file
to a podcast host
I prefer buzzsprout but there's many
other ones that are out there that are
great to Lipson and a lot of people like
anchor I'm not a big fan of anchor cuz
it's free and you know you lack a little
bit of control there but it's great too
but I prefer buzzsprout and in fact if
you go through my affiliate link
smartpassiveincome.com
slash buzzsprout you'll get 33% more
time added to your plan and what
buzzsprout does is it allows you to get
on all those different platforms like
Spotify Google Apple podcasts with
literally just a single click of a
button and what that does is it gives
you the ability for you to take that RSS
feed and this is where the
technicalities of podcasting still is a
little bit more difficult for some but
you upload all your mp3 files to your
host they give you what's called an RSS
feed and then you give that to Apple you
only have to do that once and every time
you come out with a new show Apple goes
hey you know Jamie came out with a new
show okay let's blast it to everybody
who's subscribed there people are
subscribed to podcasts on all different
kinds of platforms you only need to
upload your podcast to one spot and
that's your podcast host and I recommend
buzzsprout for sure ok let's dive into a
lot more about how to grow your show and
we mentioned a little bit earlier that
probably the best way to grow your show
is to get on other people's podcasts
right this is very similar to how
blogging work back in the day as far as
growing your blog get mentioned on other
people's blogs comment on other people's
blogs and make sure you include your URL
there so that when people see the
comment they can click over to yours -
which is less popular today and
definitely not possible in podcasting
but being a guest on another person's
show works better than anything and
here's why because listening to a
podcast still has a lot of friction if
you say for example like the most amount
of friction is if you were trying to get
a cold person who doesn't know who you
are to subscribe to your show right
imagine you're running
book ads for example and you're trying
to get more podcast listeners on
Facebook well people aren't on Facebook
to subscribe and listen to podcast
you're gonna interrupt them number one
so you have to really have an
eye-catching image and add and and copy
you have to convince a person to then
open up their podcast app or to click to
open up the app so then get excited
about the show so hopefully have a great
description and a title that's
compelling and then click Play and then
if they like it then they'll subscribe
there's so much friction there's so many
steps as opposed to if you're in a guest
on another person's show the person
listening to the podcast is already open
with their podcast app they can just
find your podcast from there plus you're
getting endorsed by somebody who they've
already earn trust with so that just
goes I mean that should just be your
number one strategy to do now I'm gonna
teach you another strategy here that
I've taught my students and a lot of my
students have done this alone and I'm
gonna describe it for you in fact I have
a video on YouTube about this that let's
see Pat Flynn traffic building strategy
in case you want to get a little bit
more honed in on this but this is the
video here hey what if I could tell you
that you can grow your blog YouTube or
podcast following by just simply asking
one simple question what is that
question and yeah what is that question
well that's the strategy that's the
video Pat Flynn traffic building
strategy and the strategy is essentially
to crowdsource from other people who
have audiences in fact let's just even
take Facebook groups for example imagine
this you you ask owners of Facebook
groups one question you can get access
to those owners and admins without even
having to join those groups or LinkedIn
or any other members that membership
platforms that are out there consider
asking those people like let's say I am
let's say I'm you know an artist and I
teach other people you know oil painting
right I don't but let's just take that
as an example I'm gonna go to these
different groups on Facebook that do oil
painting I'm gonna go to their admins
I'm gonna ask them one question what's
one thing you wish you knew before you
start at oil painting or what's your
favorite oil painting canvas combo I
don't know if that's a thing or what is
your favorite types of artwork
to to paint right whatever the one
question is I want to ask the leaders of
these groups the same question in my
podcast episode I'm going to take all
these answers and put them in there so
now imagine a podcast episode that has
10 answers from 10 different groups
number one people are very likely to
jump on the chance to be featured on
your show it feels very much like a
radio show opportunity where yeah you're
getting exposure number two the chances
of them sharing this in those groups is
very very high because guess what you've
done you've allowed them to use your
asset your podcast as a platform for
them to look like a hero
in fact that's it that's essentially
what you're doing they're able to see
themselves even more of as a leader and
are going to recommend your show because
they're going to be able to put it out
there and show that they are sort of you
know the authority that you're giving
them you're giving them the ability for
them to share and look good in front of
their people and that's an amazing thing
and that's strategy alone I know some
students who have used literally from
scratch no connections whatsoever that
strategy alone which I teach a little
bit more in detail in my course but in
that video as well that will help you to
to grow to tens of thousands of
downloads per month like literally just
that strategy alone works extremely well
so the question can be what's one thing
you wish you knew in fact I did this to
launch food trucker and if actually you
go to Google I did the same question to
launch food tracker how to start a food
truck literally like the most popular
question in this space so I'm gonna
scroll down and you'll see look at that
food trucker number three this is the
business that I started myself that I
recently sold but look how many comments
are on this 2533 this this is not just
because it's a great way for you to
connect to other food truck owners but
it's a massively valuable like imagine
somebody trying to be brand new starting
with you know art oil painting right
they want to know from these other oil
painter artists like what to do and what
not to do like what's a big mistake that
you made right I've done this several
times before to if you look up let's see
15 entrepreneurs smart passive income
here I did the same thing on this
podcast 15 entrepreneurs speak out what
I wish I'd known before starting my own
business
here the different pot here the
different different authorities that I
asked to come on and they were it's very
simple for them to do and in fact the
way that I actually recommend you do
this is go hey by the way thank you I'd
love to have you answer this question
instead of just scheduling something and
having it be an inconvenience go to
speak pipe comm slash Pat Flynn speak
pipe is a great place where you can just
literally hit record and guess what it
comes back as an mp3 file that I can
drop into that file so we're getting a
little bit more advanced now by
crowdsourcing
using tools like speak pipe to collect
people's voices without having to
schedule and record anything it does
recording for you and again like I said
it could take you a very very long way
in creating a really amazing high
authority very valuable episode to help
you grow your show now again another
great way to grow your show is to just
focus on how much you can offer value so
that in exchange you can get people to
share word of mouth word of mouth is
still a big and I know it's it's a
little bit more difficult because we
aren't there at the watercooler when
people are talking about your show
however you as you've might have found
with other shows that you perhaps listen
to like the Joe Rogan show when there's
something newsworthy and noteworthy that
happens on the show you share it with
others right now I'm not saying you have
to invite Elon Musk to smoke a joint or
something to get the news but in your
space in your niche what would be the
equivalent of something that's
newsworthy let's let's let's go both
let's go bake let's try to invite
somebody who perhaps is even a little
bit controversial or somebody who has
just the most amazing story that is
worth sharing with somebody after a
person listen to the show I always
envision how can I imagine a person who
listens to this episode that I'm about
to record how can I envision them
getting so excited about telling other
people about this and in fact I'll call
to action to do that you can go a very
long way to now if you have an email
list or a blog or another platform
already obviously sharing your show
there can help out a lot but I prefer to
get on other people's platforms by the
strategy of being a guest on another
person's show or this crowdsourcing
traffic strategy to get on other
people's groups by having them share the
show because if you went in there
yourself and shared it guess what you're
gonna be spam even if it's a very
helpful episode but those two strategies
alone can take you a very long way in
growing your show for sure cool
alright next let's talk about to finish
up here and by the way if you want to
get a little bit deeper on this I do
have some information and some stuff to
share with you over at path line comm
slash podcasting Pat Flynn accomplished
podcasting more information there if you
want to go a little bit deeper and in
fact if you're watching this live that
is actually a webinar that I'll be doing
today goes a little bit more deeper into
some of this stuff for you but hopefully
you're getting some value from today
we're having a lot of fun and let's talk
about how you make money with your
podcast I think there is a and by the
way thank you Brian who's like dude aha
moments there's a lot of aha moments and
things like this and I hope that you're
having some yourself if you were in the
chat right now let us know what your
biggest aha moment is so far from what
we're talking about today and I'll take
some questions after I finish talking
about monetization so how can you make
money with your show the most popular
way to make money with your podcast is
advertising and sponsorships however
it's not the easiest thing to get
started with and I actually wouldn't
recommend it and remember every time you
mention another thing that's somebody
going ok well I'm gonna go there instead
of going deeper into what you have so
advertising is not always the answer
especially if you have your own products
to sell you can double dip though you
can't have advertisers and sponsors on
your show and mention your own stuff too
so it's worth exploring however it's a
lot more complicated there's a lot more
friction involved you have to
communicate with these other companies
and I would start with companies that
you perhaps use or you have experience
with and I would also start with
companies that you know are also out
there on the other podcast sponsoring
already however the barrier to entry is
much higher they're gonna want to see
listeners and the way that podcasting
advertising works is it's based on a CPM
model which is cost per Mille or cost
per 1,000 downloads and on average you
get about 18 to $50 CPM and depends on
the company and what it is that you have
to offer you can also include other
things like hey if you sponsor the show
you also get access to my email list and
space on the website in our show notes
etc so you can add and increase the
income from there but if you have like
10,000 downloads per episode right 10
times let's say $20 CPM so you're gonna
make $100 per episode right if you have
$10,000 so it may not be worth your time
considering there's other mechanisms
that could be much more profitable for
you
the number-one and easiest way to make
money from your podcasts in my opinion
is affiliate marketing affiliate
marketing is recommending another person
or another company's product to your
audience and when a person on the other
end actually go through your link which
is what tracks that you are making the
sale for them and actually follows
through and makes a purchase you get a
commission and you get a share now it
starts on the low end from 1 to 8% on
Amazon if you're an Amazon associate and
you're mentioning products it's pretty
low but if you're gonna be mentioning in
that product anyway in a process or in
teaching people something well you might
as well make a little bit of money from
it too and you can do that right from
episode 1 in fact I consider that like
planting seeds and although you might
have very few listeners upfront I have a
lot of people who now even after 10
years go back and they listen to episode
number 1 in fact episode number 1 of my
podcast still gets a thousand plus
downloads every single week now which is
pretty amazing and so the things that
you mentioned early on can work for you
later that's the beauty of podcasting it
can be very evergreen these things
people want to listen to over time it's
much like a television show or radio
show that people want to continue to
listen to again and again and again now
selling other people's products is a
little bit more difficult than selling
your own because it's not your own
product right and this is where
affiliate marketing is also a little bit
of a struggle for people because a lot
of people take advantage of how easy it
is to do and in fact that's why it's
been given a bad name you find a product
with a high commission and you Ram it
down your audience's throat until they
can't just do anything else but buy it
and that's not the approach you want to
take in fact you want to make sure that
the products you recommend are in
alignment with who it is that your
audience is and what they need and when
the product aligns perfectly it's almost
just a natural sell you don't even have
to sell it's just a natural part of the
conversation one thing that you can do
with your podcasts however to take this
a step further is you could invite the
founder of the podcast or the founder of
that tool on your show so if I look up
on Google here Pat Flynn Nathan berry
podcast you're gonna find that I
interviewed Nathan berry in episode 240
for this one podcast episode loan
because we mentioned convertkit he's the
founder of convertkit which is an email
service provider but I didn't invite him
on the show to talk about convertkit and
why it was awesome and why people should
switch to it or start with it we talked
about his story we
about how he bootstrap this company from
scratch right that's really what it was
about and through that you heard stories
about why convertkit is the way it is
the decisions that he made starting this
business and the struggles and the way
that he almost gave up and the advice
that he got along the way you can't help
but build a relationship with Nathan
while listening to this show even though
I'm the host and as a result of that
when people are considering convertkit
over other email service providers
they'll either remember this episode in
the conversation that I had with Nathan
they'll get excited about it or I can
point people toward this episode so that
people can earn trust with Nathan and
the company and convertkit
and then be more likely to actually
follow through that one episode alone is
accounted for over fifty thousand
dollars in recurring income it's not
fifty thousand dollars a month but over
the course of the years that that
episode has come out
that's totaled over fifty thousand
dollars because when a person gets in to
convertkit with a thirty percent
commission even at the low rate it's
adding up over time and as long as a
person stays in they continue to pay me
convertkit continues to pay me and
that's at no extra cost
to those people so use your podcast to
invite the founder or perhaps even a
user of that product on to talk about
that product and the experience and the
story behind it and it can go a very
very long way another way to monetize
your podcast is obviously to sell your
own stuff and I know a lot of people who
mention their products on their show and
they almost kind of treat their product
as a sponsor hey this was sponsored by
power at podcasting my own course that I
want you to get into because it's gonna
help you start a podcast and get
listeners on day one but I would much
rather you use your podcast in this
format if I go to smartpassiveincome.com
slash session 285
no is it 285 let's see
275 excuse me so here's a podcast
episode I did real stories from three
three brand-new podcasters this episode
came out the first week power podcasting
launched publicly I invited three of my
beta students on who had succeeded with
my course that was a way for us to test
and validate it but also collecting
these stories and then showcasing their
stories on the podcast here this episode
accounted for over a hundred and fifty
thousand dollars worth of online course
sales of our
powerup podcasting because I was able to
use this asset that we're talking about
here a podcast as a platform to showcase
the heroes that we created from our
course so this is a story brand this is
painting your audience as the hero of
the story you are not the hero you're
the Luke Skywalker or you you're the
Yoda right you're making little yet
little Luke Skywalker's but you are the
Yoda you're the guide right so I
positioned myself as the guide here but
I didn't have these people come on and
go hey tell me why power up podcasting
is awesome no no you don't want to do it
that way I positioned these people who
were again students of my course as tell
me why you started a podcast tell me
what the challenges that you had were
and the objections for example dr. B who
is a woman over 60 years old who started
a podcast and her show is about ADHD and
living with ADHD and what to do and all
that stuff she's amazing
she came on and she said I just
struggled so much I didn't know that I
you know I didn't think that I could do
it because of the technology I'm just
very dumb when it comes to those things
but Pat do your course was able to make
it make it easy and I was able to do it
Thank You Pat like it wouldn't have
happened without you it becomes the most
amazing testimonial
that's not forced because you're talking
about the before-and-after picture for
them in fact she tells this beautiful
story of now not believing that she
could do it to now having a map in front
of her computer that every time she gets
a new podcast listener she puts a pin up
in a different country that she's in and
I asked her live on the show there how
many countries she's in and she's like
I'm in 33 countries helping people who
were dealing with ADHD and I'm like that
is amazing I have another person on the
show who talks about how she had an
offline business and then took it online
with a podcast and has now since just
tripled her income and just different
examples of different kinds of people so
that's what I want you to do with your
podcast use it as a platform not just to
interview a listers in your show but
also as a way for you to interview the
heroes that you are creating with your
work the Luke Skywalker's in your
audience again very story of ran link
and that's what I recommend you do so
I'm gonna spend about two or three
minutes here answering a few questions
because Wow how did we get to the top of
the hour but if you are in here live let
me know if you happen to let me know
what was the most helpful part of this
tutorial here for you we talked about a
lot of things obviously we have to go a
little bit deeper to actually start
making things happen
I recommend you check out Pat Flynn calm
flash podcasting I have a about in two
hours
excuse me three hours we're gonna be
going live with a webinar and you will
have another chance to ask some
questions if you watch the replay
that'll take you to some place where I
can help you further later on but a lot
of great stuff here today and if you're
watching the replay let me know you made
it to the end as well I much very much
appreciate you for that - like I said
while we talked about a lot of things
already how is it the hour over already
amazing I love the map thing that's cool
thank you yeah dr. B's awesome hundred
twenty three likes we're doing great
today I love little Skywalker's and I
want to be Yoda don't tell Pat Flynn
stormtrooper behind him no yep but I
have the Mandalorian with me - I have
the Mandalorian if in case you didn't
see that would you post unedited
recording if and only if I could mention
up front that it was sort of raw and
recorded perhaps it was because it was
unedited and recorded live somewhere
right or I just didn't have a chance to
edit it in which case well it might come
across as well maybe I'm just being a
little bit lazy but I would definitely
recommend editing your show as much as
possible but don't edit every little
thing in fact I know a lot of people who
just don't get started because they want
to edit out every pause every um every
breath and don't do that like I would
just force yourself to put it out there
it's gonna be bad be a disaster first
before you start to become the master it
takes some time but put it out there in
the way that you can put it out there
because every day that you don't have
your podcast up and running is a day
that you don't and are losing the
opportunity to have the ability to
actually build a relationship with
somebody and have people become your fan
because really that's what eventually
happens you have fans and I don't know
if you could see this behind me here but
there is a wall back there there's the
wheel the pathline wheel but there's a
wall back there of thank-you notes and
these are thinking notes from my
audience 99% of them come from people
who listen to the show they mentioned
the podcast they don't mention my blog
they don't even mention my youtube
channel they mention the podcast because
of the relationship but like I said you
can build with your listeners on the
show question how do people find your
affiliate links do you point your
listeners to your website you can either
point your people to your website and
say hey go to this go to the show notes
page click on the link there or you have
a really nice affiliate link where it's
easy to remember
and that's a really big thing that you
have to do on your podcast you really
have to make sure that if you're giving
a call to action that it's easy right if
it was affiliate link it would be like
hey go to smart pesum convertkit comm
slash equals question mark four to a B Q
equals slash and it would just be like
what verse says hey go to
smartpassiveincome.com slash convertkit
simple enough i use a wordpress plugin
called pretty links I just use the free
version the lite version to do that and
it works extremely well cool question
with the purchase of Joe Rogan's what
does Spotify future plans will they
compete with YouTube I'm I'm thinking
they might become the YouTube of
podcasting which is really interesting
because of the video component
especially but also they want to just
own audio they want to own audio and
right now they still use RSS feeds
although I know now that with the
purchase of anchor you could perhaps
have it in a way where you're sort of
uploading instead which is really
interesting and I just think they're
gonna be continuing to grow and build
their podcasting base because they want
to own podcasting much like how they own
a lot of the music and Apple has just
been doing nothing they've been sitting
on podcasting and not doing anything not
connecting advertisers not helping
podcasters out for years and only
finally they're starting to make some
movement but Spotify is killing them and
so it's gonna be really interesting to
see where the future of podcasting is as
a result of these tools and stuff
another great morning with Pat Flynn
learning so much great information value
bombs daily thank you so much appreciate
that Susan says can I do a podcast
without using a webcam for remote
interview Skype and zoom makes me feel
that I have to have on it no you can do
audio only in fact most of my skype and
Zune calls when I'm recording for a
podcast previously before I went to
squad cast was just audio only and you
can just position it as as such up front
just hey it'll be audio only you won't
we need to be on camera that'll make the
person on the other end feel more
comfortable too however I know a lot of
people who like to turn on the camera
even though they're not gonna use the
video because they like to have that
interaction there's a you know some
people sense feel that there's a little
bit more of a vibe there you can have
like visual cues to help understand who
goes next and what whatnot but I prefer
to have you know audio only personally
this is gold Thank You Pat Flynn you're
welcome Jennifer I appreciate you thank
you for the great
episode today you're welcome Cheryl
question how would you recommend most
effectively to use audiograms to promote
your podcast so audiogram is essentially
taking clips and pieces of your show
repurposing it and putting it onto
social media into stories on Instagram
into your Instagram feed into YouTube or
Facebook or Twitter and repurposing is
great however I know a lot of people who
take more time repurposing their stuff
and actually creating the thing and in
fact it could take up a lot of time time
that you might be able to better use
marketing your show making connections
getting out there and engaging with your
audience so I think that if you're gonna
do it try it see how you can make it
simple for yourself there's a lot of
tools like repurpose stuff io or WAV
with two V's Co that can allow you to
take the audio files put them up there
it can be very expensive and there could
be very little ROI because guess what
when you share it it's likely gonna be
people who have already found you who
are already listening to your podcast
you see that I prefer to spend more time
marketing and getting yourself out there
and other people's shows and focusing
your efforts on that to grow your show
faster and then have your podcast do the
work for you
alright I'm gonna answer one more
question cool I love gold subscribe and
comment cool does any advices if I
switch to another host the show is still
available I just have to move episodes
there right yeah in fact if you are
somewhere else in fact a bus press
really cool because you can one-click
essentially change things over and then
essentially you just have to tell Apple
where the new our RSS feed is and when
it wants to you know when it's ready to
do that essentially just switches over
so essentially you have your podcasts on
host number one and then you're gonna
set up on host number two you just get
all your episodes on on host number two
as if like it's ready and then you just
tell Apple Spotify Google like hey we're
switching over to this house and boom
everything switches over and then the
old thing just doesn't even get seen
anymore it's not red anymore it's the
brand-new RSS feed and that's how you go
anyway we're gonna talk more about
podcasting later this afternoon
paplu comm slash podcasting if you want
to go deeper I'll also be sharing more
about my course power of podcasting
there as well and we're gonna have some
fun so hey everybody thank you so much
for today today was a really amazing a
great introduction to podcasting I'll
also link for the replay viewers in the
description eventually later on when I
get to it today some more tutorials and
stuff here that are for free here on the
YouTube as well I have one of the number
one
podcasting tutorial video series on
YouTube that will take you a little bit
more into detail however I'd love to
help you get more listeners and market
show - so if you want to check that out
Pathan comm / podcasting and I love you
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