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Cheating on Zwift | How effective is Weight Doping?
wait oh my god if I had a pound for
every time somebody mentioned the word
weight when referring to his waves and
in particularly wide open I'll be rich
in fact I'd be a major shareholder in
Swift right now I would have drops
coming out of every single orifice so in
light of Shane Miller's video if you've
not seen it I'll leave a link in the
description below to a recent scandal
video that he dropped in listen straight
off the bat our thing there's no scandal
I don't even think he is I think I'm
just saying scandal I don't think
there's a scandal
we'll get into this later but I know for
a fact that that I'll get into a layer
but what I wanted to look into was wide
open and its effectiveness and how
effective weight doping really was his
weight doping as effective as the new
high dope in his high doping the new way
doping or is there a clean and integrity
saving way of actually improving your
performance on Swift without cheating so
a guinea pig is goose Bauman a friend of
cycling I hope I pronounce his name
right goose Bauman boomin boomin goose
boomin he's a friend of cycling hope and
we're taking his data and his stats from
the forward kom to to get a baseline in
the first instance then all we're gonna
do is change that weight we're gonna
manipulate his way so you can see here
he's currently 71 kilos
he's a 470 what's averaging up here and
he's 191 centimeters everything's gonna
say the same apart from that weight he's
averaging 472 what as I mentioned and
he's an RPM of 100 so he's got 400
meters to go on this climb for those of
you who don't know about the forward
Kalyan Ford km is 900 meters in length
and it's an average gradient of 5% it
Peaks out around 12% and I think the the
minimum percent is well it's I think
it's actually negative I think it goes
negative at some point I could be wrong
I don't know so we're coming up for 200
meters to go here we've got an estimated
time of arrival
one minute I'm 48 and this is gonna
smash his current 30-day personal record
there's a finish in sight there so once
he's got to the top we're gonna send him
back down and then we're gonna affect
that way and see how he gets on when
that weight is changed one minute 48.5
remember that one minute 48.5 in lesson
in fact let's have a graphic here one
minute forty eight point five
there he goes all the way back down no
it's in he's on the trombone I mind to
layer so we're now currently at 70 kilos
everything else stays the same rpm stays
the same
a hundred watts of stay the same at four
hundred seventy two and so does his
height so we've got an ETA here of one
minute forty four so clearly already a
bit faster one minute forty eight point
five was the was the previous best we've
sped this one up so you know to sit here
watching me three hundred to go just
chatting about this this video so eta
one minute forty seven hundred meters to
go so it looks like it's gonna be
quicker but it's gonna be tenths of a
second as opposed to actual seconds so
one minute forty eight point five one
minute forty seven point five so a
second in effect a second faster so now
when we go to 69 kilos are we going to
see another second faster than 70 kilos
and are we go is that the increment that
we're gonna see we're gonna see second
gaps between each kilo is a kilo worth a
second of this climb or is it gonna be
slightly different who knows but one
thing's for sure is its advantageous to
wait Oh even a kilo this is not a how-to
video by the way this is it's not a
saying
wait open go do it we're saying this is
this is this is the potential
difference in in weight changing not
weight doping not everyone's always
weight doping but in changing of weights
this is how effective and efficient it
can be so 67 kilos is gonna come over
the line first so he's at one minute
forty five one minute forty five point
six one minute forty six point seven so
yeah there or there abouts a second
between each obviously the line that the
rider takes around the the corner and
the the whole whole of the king of the
mountain is going to be slightly
different and the next experiment we've
got is the the John mold experience so
the top of the screen we have now got a
John mold replica seventy six kilos
versus seventy three kilos 183
centimetres which is his height
maintaining three hundred watts around
the figure of eight course we're gonna
see how these two riders get on and see
what difference that three kilos would
have made we've also got at the bottom
of the screen seventy six kilo one
hundred and seventy seven centimetres so
we've taken we've taken six centimeters
off of the rider just to compare a
height dope with a weight dope so so in
effect we're trying to see which one is
is more beneficial if one is more
beneficial bomb right we've got a bit of
a baseline we'll call it seventy six
kilo rider 183 centimeters three hundred
watts what he is on the swift carbon
with fifty fifty millimeter carbon
wheels others with carbon frame with 50
millimeter deep section wheel so let's
see how these riders get on around the
figure of eight so far the same let's
speed up a little bit so we should all
know this cause by now pretty well Ocean
Boulevard dusty roads see round the
switch bikes up the reverse km it's when
it's this fast it's hard to actually see
what the hell is going on but they all
look relatively similar I can see
I can see the the guy at the bottom on
the rubbish bike easy struggling just a
little bit he's really struggling
so we're 27 minutes into it now 28
minutes we're going down Ocean Boulevard
we're gonna hang a left here at the end
we're going up the forward k1 now so
again have no idea how fast those bikes
went of the forward kom we're going
through the Italian village now we go in
through the yeses and we're eventually
got to come out onto the sea front or
the beach front and let's have a look
let's see who's winning this race here
so top left hand corner just gone under
the underpass it looks like 73 kilos and
77 centimetres are there or thereabout
so what we're saying is you can either
take well we're not saying because we
don't want to encourage this but by the
looks of it if you take three kilos off
your weight you can in effect take seven
six six centimeters off your height oh
there's a little bit of difference in it
but but not much so the first John mold
finishes in a time of 44 minutes and 43
seconds the next one over the line is
going to be the slightly shorter one at
177 centimetres 44 minutes and 47
seconds so right here is a thing you
could have the cleanest way you could
not change you could not fluctuate your
way at all but all of a sudden you could
come to seven centimetres smaller and
how do we not expose that which I think
we're we should be thankful
you could lower your high and no one
won't be any otherwise you don't know
how tall I am you can guess but you
don't know how tall I am anyway under
183 centimeters 76 kilogram John mold
finishes in a time of 45 minutes and 9
10 seconds 45 minutes and 10 seconds ish
but look at this this rider here on this
with carbon he's only just coming down
the beachfront now he still got a long
way to go
so equipment does matter it there is a
huge disparity in equipment and that's
cool
I respect that I like that about with
the fact that there is that from one
extreme to the other guys obviously once
you get up towards the upper echelons of
the good bikes you're gonna see less and
less difference but I'm sure some other
rider I'm sure some of the KISS
Superliga to ride this bike and I
thought they didn't even know so as you
can see there is a huge disparity in the
in the best bike and the worst by cons
with so these riders could be could be
making time up again by staying clean
keeping that integrity keeping that
legitimacy or by picking the best bikes
and the best the best equipment so high
doping and wide open both still
prevalent at the minute in Swift and
both very very advantageous there are
differences and advantages to be had by
changing your equipment and we've seen
that in the in the wheels video that
there can be a bigger advantage to be
had one thing I was thinking about when
I when I watched Shane's video was he
mentioned that the races are a 1 I think
one was won by 0.01 three of a second
something like that last week you could
argue that by using a narrow power up is
cheating then really because I think in
the kiss Super League we should get rid
of power-ups
I know it's keep it simple stupid but
let's keep it simple
let's get rid of power-ups altogether
let's go mano-a-mano
it's the it's the best man against the
best man alright
and the ladies as well when they raced
their bear event let's not bring any
more variables into it than unnecessary
I know it's gamification and all that
jazz but for the for the kiss Super
League if we wins in that a rider's put
three kilos on which is legitimate how
do I know that it's because I Tex moldy
earlier and asked him about it
so as Shane described them the series
leader and his mate or as I know
Ian Vivian John mold I reached out to
mouldy because we went to see mouldy a
few weeks ago and what every single
rider has to do with the kasuba League
is tells with their weight they have to
record their video of their weigh-ins
and he showed me this he showed me a
video of himself getting weighed putting
the scales up down all that jazz
standing on the scales
he showed me so in effect what that
means is is he hasn't sheared he he
hasn't all of a sudden put three kilos
on he's probably put sorry he has put
three kilos on but he's put three kilos
on because well let's take a look at the
the factors that could have put three
kilos on one he's traveled to New York
he's been sat on a plane for six or
seven hours right to jetlag he's out of
his normal routine so jetlag makes you
tired it makes you fatigued it makes you
want to eat all the time and yeah these
are professional guys and they should
know exactly how much they weigh all the
time because they're trying to shave
grams off their bikes off themselves
they're trying to make themselves as
light as possible but they're also just
human so if you're tired and you're
hungry you are gonna eat and like moldy
said he well let's put it this way he
said I'm surprised it was only that
amount that I put on because he'd he'd
act so much during that time in New York
so they're jet-lagged they're probably
eating more food than they would
normally consume at different times of
the day as well so that digestive system
is probably saying right I'm gonna sleep
down a night and they're going hey no
whoa whoa whoa get back here
steak time dude I mean I stay
come on and then he in the desert sand
and probably just probably just relaxing
a little bit and just enjoying the
recovery time because they know that
they've got a race coming up so in that
respect I can easily see how their
weights have changed now the cofidis guy
that's a different story altogether I I
can't comment on that because I don't
know him I know Billy and I know Moldy
and I know that they're legit all right
there's no scandal to be on there
there is no scandal to be had there but
the cover this guy I don't know
listen Cofidis is an old school team
they were founded in like 97 something
like that so they've got old school
mentality French French mentality of how
do we train we go out in the cold we got
in the wet we just train and we grind it
out and we just do all this so eSports
is probably something very very
different to them they well they're
clearly not taking it that seriously
because of what we've seen over the past
few weeks of what they're doing in there
in the kis Super League but it's
obviously great for marketing great for
PR and Swift won them in and they
obviously want to be part of it but they
just don't want to commit that much time
and effort to it potentially but also
they might not know like let's play
devil's advocate they might not know
that there is a an effect on your avatar
when you change your way maybe they just
entered the way without even thinking
about it that it's part of a profile and
he just entered it I don't know who's to
say it wasn't but also the co for this
guy has not been Wade for a month and
again I'm just playing devil's advocate
you could put a lot more than eight
kilos on in a month I've put a lot more
than a kilos on in a month so the last
time he was waiting for a kiss
Superleague was a month ago and
obviously he weighed lighter than he
does now but what's to say that that
let's say three let's say two to three
kilos of that is by it's because of
traveling to New York
right so he's put on five kilos what's
to say he's not been in the gym smashing
it to pieces to build that muscle up to
become heavier that could be a
legitimate argument for it you might
have wanted to put a bit more weight on
so he's a bit weightier when it comes to
the classics and that could be it
it could be as something as simple as
that so before we go throwing these
riders under the bus saying oh my god
the cheating
so listen right Shane is a very
intelligent guy he's he's very
successful on here and he knows his
stuff however I mean just do a little
bit digging just do a little bear
research and don't just take it for face
value that because a rider weighed a
kilos last month - what he weighs now is
he's all of a sudden cheating on a team
but he probably does he probably hasn't
even give it a second thought
so let's I think let's not throw all the
riders under the bus just yet let's look
at the system and what can be done there
because everybody this is not something
new changing your way on Swift and
people using that to their advantage has
been around since day one so let's not
pretend that all of a sudden these
riders are cheating a brand new system
this system should have been changed and
measured somehow especially now Swift
getting into the eSports world they're
wanting to take over eSports they I
wanted to be the the front-runner and
ashame mentioned the the riders are the
pioneers of eSports well technically
Swift by pushing the KISS Super League
by promoting it and and wanting to be a
front-runner in eSports and getting all
this investment for eSports they should
be the ones saying this series is legit
because we can ensure that the riders
height is measured the right I bet no
one measured anybody's high I bet no one
has measured any of those riders in the
kiss Super League high
and I'm not saying the chiyan but
there's a variable right there that you
need to be check-in and you can if
you're doing it with you anyway no one's
checking the height they're checking the
way cuz when the kiss superly right you
supposed to be on the same bike unless
you're sponsored by a bike manufacturer
within the game then you're allowed to
use their bike so that's an unfair
advantage right there if you sponsored
by Trond or concept bikes
if you sponsored by specialized you can
have an advantage there and you're gonna
be given an advantage in a random way by
having a powerup gifted to you during a
race now we're not allowed to take
power-ups into the pen anymore so you
have to just hope to god that you get an
arrow towards the end and if you do the
chances are you're gonna win I'm yet to
see anybody win without an arrow
I don't believe anybody's won without an
arrow just yet in the kiss Super League
but what but anyway my point is if
Swifter wanting to be at the forefront
of this we can't go around blaming
riders for their weight gains and
fluctuations that might be just what it
was a fluctuation in way all right so if
that is the case what are the what are
the pioneers of of eSports doing what as
whiffed do in to address this situation
because like Shane mentioned that the
riders swept under the carpet but was it
the riders or was it swift because if
that rider editor right picture this
we're gonna race a road race this rider
turns up and they pretest him they pre
test this rider a urine sample and they
find out that he's got drugs in his
system are they gonna allow him to ride
no yet we still allow this rider to ride
even though we all think he's doped in
an event because it's good for PR and
good for marketing if he'd had turned up
a kilos lighter somehow I don't know how
he would have fixed it but if it'd have
fixed it what weapons if he he
move the scales slightly off
move the scales and all of a sudden half
of its on a carpet and half of its on a
concrete floor you're gonna get a change
you're gonna get a differentiating
you're gonna get a change in that way so
what does that say so in my opinion
there's a lot to be done to make eSports
legitimate there seems to be a I don't
wanna say argument but there seems to be
a big debate of the minute as to how
legitimate these races are clearly zwip
they're trying to make this a thing
clearly they're trying to showcase not
only the the platform but the the
concept of eSports and to the outside
world it looks fantastic it looks
amazing
this this is a whole brand new concept
in a whole new way of riding a bike but
to the people in the know and the people
who have seen people manipulate the
system to their advantage well as we
haven't really done much and I don't I
don't want to call them out but I feel
like I have to because basically it felt
like Shane was was was was offloading
the blame to the riders and the riders
do have a responsibility to be as clean
as possible just like they do in the
World Tour right they have
responsibilities they're responsible
responsibility to stay clean it's their
responsibility to issue the correct way
which they have done all right so if
they have issued the right way and then
they get weighed and and it's slightly
different who's whose fault is that
where does the blame actually live what
needs to be done let's not blame someone
let's let's ask what needs to be done to
make sure it doesn't happen again and
that these results are legitimate day-in
day-out night or day whenever we need a
baseline so everybody knows where they
stand because it could be riders getting
weighed in a morning like moldy there
could be riders getting weighed
right before the start of a race which
could be seven or eight o'clock at night
when you've had a full day of full food
that's not digested there's the
variables are just just huge in a minute
and
I personally believe it's the it's the
the responsibility of Swift to establish
this protocol to to ensure that if
you're racing on Swift you are racing as
clean and as legitimate as possible
I for one as I know that there is gonna
be more and more money involved in
racing on a sport platform that I will
be willing to invest in a specific race
license or specific set of scales or
whatever it might be that allows me to
race cleanly and to be to know I'm
racing against clean riders as well I'd
be willing to invest some money in
something that would allow me to do that
because I think that's the only way to
go down that's the only route you can go
down but let's be honest right when all
said and done is hide doping and weight
doping really the the biggest place you
can gain an advantage so for me
personally I don't think there is there
is any scandal when it comes to the KISS
Super League and the the riders are
responsible for their own way yes but if
they're doing is they're told and
they're weighing in when they're
supposed to be weighing in there's no
issue there's no issue that's it's as
simple as that there's no issue a rider
has been proven his way all through the
whole seven rounds of the kiss Super
League and oh all of a sudden he has to
race in another country on a different
time zone get weighed at a different
time all of a sudden is a different way
yeah that's that's perfectly reasonable
and he's got proof to back up exactly
how much he's way before you can
guarantee prompt maybe not this week but
the following next week he will be back
to the original way I can guarantee
he'll be back to his original way if
he's racing from home I personally think
there's a bigger disparity in in
people's setups in people's trainer
setups smart train has not been
calibrated properly
different trainers being used that we
know have what it percentages that are
out by by a lot enough to make a
difference enough to make it feel like
you've got a constant arrow power upon
all the time do you think we should
delve into that next
